The Affleck affair

 

I was recently notified about a thread on the www.homebuiltaircraft.com site that I might be interested in, concerning my Corvair crankshaft breaks.  Below are the comments submitted to that forum, and the email traffic that Mr. Affleck considers to be “extensive communication” with me back in 2007.  Unfortunately for him, I don’t know how to use the delete key when it comes to email…I save them all.   I’ll let you be the judge, after reading his diatribes, and my terse response at the very bottom of the page.  Almost everything he said about our “extensive communication” is either inaccurate, twisted, or an outright fabrication. 

 

Most of the “education” he claims to have given me in the emails below had already been published on my web page months prior, and/or gained decades before.  To give an example, “beach marks” were covered in fracture mechanics and fatigue design while I was earning a degree in mechanical engineering.  The pattern on the crank was also referred to as “beach marks” by an expert in aircraft crankshaft failure who recently retired from Teledyne Continental Motors, when he analyzed the first broken crank 18 months before Afflec contacted me. Apparently he thinks the term “beach marks” is jargon only used by experts like him.  That should give you some insight into his comments below. 

 

And I never “stated 4340 would be twice as strong at 5340 in a crankshaft”.  My website still has the words he “remembers”, but what I actually wrote was  I have no doubt that this crankshaft will fare far better than the one depicted above, since the base material is already something like 50% stronger, and the radii will be much larger. That’s a distortion of at least a factor of two, with a little fabrication thrown in, but also incorrectly sites the original Corvair crank material, which is actually 5140 rather than 5340.  Only a few digits off, but you’re starting to get the idea.  If that’s not enough, consider this line from one of his emails:  I'm 64 years old, IQ 145, Sat math 800, and I know everything there is to know about internal combustion engines.   Note how he sends his phone number with almost every email, and invites me to call so he can “answer all questions”.  I never called him.

 

This guy is listed as a retired electrical engineer in his Homebuiltaircraft.com bio, with the following experience listed:  “Past Projects: engine overhaul. various major maintenance. designing and building race car engines. extensive and thorough engineering study as applied to ICE. Design work on a 7 cylinder radial; including responsibility for the cam disks.”  So he’s done an engine overhaul of some sort and flew some Cessnas.  I wonder how many EGT and CHT probes those Cessnas had?  Yet he argues with data obtained from 1130 hours of successful flight experience, as recorded by the EIS.

 

Notice that he sent me six emails over the course of several days before I finally responded almost three weeks later.  Apparently he wasn’t going to stop obsessing until I told him to go away!  I’m not going to spend another minute trying to explain any of the rants below, or highlight the BS…I think they speak for themselves.   CorvAircraft listers, KR builders, and people who know me will know that what is spelled out below is a character assassination job done by an internet troll who builds himself up by tearing others down.  He was told to buzz off, and apparently didn’t appreciate it.   I’ve always known that my efforts to thoroughly test, prove, and improve the KR and Corvair engine was setting me up as a target, but I never dreamed that somebody would twist the facts so much.  The formatting and every word of the bodies of the emails below appear exactly as written in 2007.  See below, and you be the judge.  A preemptive aspirin or two might be a good idea…

 

John affleck - January 10th, 2013, 04:29 PM

Re: Debate about Mark Langford's 3rd crank failure

The people getting interested in the new aftermarket crankshaft for the Corvair need to read this; as it correctly states the facts. Mark Langford stated that 4340 would be twice as strong as 5340 in a crankshaft; this is ridiculous. He has a talent for getting the wrong answer; I've communicated extensively with him by e-mail; I'm the only person qualified to speak on this subject who has communicated with him; but he decided not to listen. at that time he was in love with his guru WW; who is a MECHANIC; and not an engineer. He's a good mechanic and a disaster as a engineer; but that's what you would expect. I'll explain exactly why his crankshafts broke on another post here which you can look up; I'm not going to write the whole thing twice. DO NOT BUY THE AFTERMARKET CRANKSHAFT; this is just more amateur screwing around. Okay; this was intended to follow on the man's post to the effect that only the modulus of elasticity is relevant; but I don't understand how forums work; so this is in the wrong place.

 

John affleck - January 10th, 2013, 05:23 PM

Re: Debate about Mark Langford's 3rd crank failure

Okay; trying to reply to jsween. Do not buy an aftermarket crankshaft. I have practically written a book about this damn crankshaft already; the intention being to save people from significant injuries and damage. I corresponded with Mark Langford via e-mail and with WW; to no avail. First let's start with the picture; it's a duplicate of the picture of Mark's first crankshaft failure; which inspired me to write to him in the first place, (years ago). The picture is completely diagnostic. It leaves no room for doubt. It leaves no room for speculation; I don't speculate anyway, I'm an engineer, I deal in facts not opinions. Let's dispose of the "torsional issue" first. It is not torsional failure. Period. There's nothing more to be said about it; the fact that Mark is referring to "beach marks" on the break face and trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about; is due to my corresponding with him in the first place. Without me, he wouldn't know a beach mark from a beach ball. I pointed out to him that engine design is a subset of mechanical engineering and that people have been studying this subject for the entire twentieth century; and I gave him the title of a two volume textbook from MIT on Engine Design; to his credit, he bought the book. He also makes the statement that all the breaks originated in the shaft radius with the cheek; this is simply false; and obviously so. THE CRANKSHAFT RADII ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE. "Is the Corvair crankshaft strong enough for aircraft use"--In many ways this is a typical civilian question; it's so broad and so ill-defined it doesn't have any "answer". However, considering my audience, here; civilians; I will simply say, YES IT IS. There is a way of estimating the "strongness" of a crankshaft, obviously a very imprecise concept; and I explained that to Mark and he looked it up in the reference book and seemed to get something out of this. According to the standard engineering criteria for crankshafts; the corvair crankshaft is "stronger" than the Lycoming or Continental crankshafts. This is not an opinion; I don't do opinions; I hate opinions. As I say, according to the standard measurable parameters of crankshaft design it is stronger; period. end of discussion. Okay; so now you want to know; why do the corvair conversions break crankshafts; and for those of you who don't know; there are more of them then Mark's. Ok, by the way, when WW, "our guru" told everyone they would have to nitride their crankshaft; I immediately wrote to both him and Mark Langford and told them NO; this is not the answer. Now they will fail at 700 hours instead of 70 hours. Look up the actual numbers for yourself. this is not an accident; this is not "luck" on my part; this is call shot pool; I am not an amateur. Mark refused to listen; due to being hypnotized by his Guru. so he broke his second crankshaft. I've been waiting for the third one, with the stupid front bearing to break; but I see I missed the actual event. This is understandable because the only reward I got for trying to save these amateurs from themselves was to be told "you're not a Corvair Expert" !! This reveals a sort of divine idiocy. If you specialize in engine design as a subject in mechanical engineering and have a SAT score of 800 out of 800; then you are a Corvair expert; because the damn thing is an engine. Okay, back to why they crankshafts broke; the picture reveals beyond a reasonable doubt as they say in court; that it is a bending failure. What does this mean? Imagine a bobby pin; well maybe you're not old enough t know what bobby pin is; imagine a tuning fork; it has two legs and they vibrate relative to each other. Now look at a picture of a crankshaft; could be a corvair crankshaft, if you like; see that the structure comprising the rod jounal, the two cheeks, and the main journals, resembles a tuning fork; as we say, it is topologically identical. So, what the picture of the break is telling us is that some force that was applied cyclically, to the ends of the U shapped structure caused the WEB to break; exactly where we would predict it would and in exactly the correct orientation. It is a tuning fork fracture. it's so common, it even has a name. The provision of the front bearing moved the critical bending, (NOT TORSIONAL BENDING), back to the second U shaped structure; not too surprising. Not really, predictable; I mean I didn't predict this; as I did BOTH OF THE SECOND AND THIRD failures. Okay, now are we all clear that it has nothing to do with con. rod loads. rpm. loads, hmm? Is it straight in all our heads now? Because that's what NOT TORSIONAL means. Connecting rod load shaft failures don't look anything like this; nothing; nothing at all. Nothing reveals the commenters complete and total innocence of knowledge more perfectly than looking at this break and than wanting to talk about con. rod load, and cylinder size, and whatever was hanging on the back end of the engine. You have only to ask yourself what is attached to the crankshaft that bends it back and forth like a little tuning fork 3,300 times a minute? the prop. The Prop. is attached to this end of the crankshaft; this should be a big clue, folks! And then, if we were actually educated in this subject instead of just babbling at random; we would immediately think of a little item called "Prop. Indexing". Prop. Indexing is a known and understood subject in piston engine engine aircraft. Right now, Mark is flying a Continental 0-300 engine in his new airplane; if he takes the trouble to buy a factory overhaul manual for this engine he will find out that Continental requires that the installer of the engine INDEX the prop. What does this mean? It means the two bladed prop. only goes on the mounting flange in a certain position; it has to be CLOCKED. In the case of the corvair engine; which doesn't have a aircraft application; you have to figure this out for yourself; which I have done for you. Looking at the front crankpin of the crankshaft, install the prop. so that the blade is at ninety degrees to the tuning fork. if the front cylinder is at top dead center, or bottom dead center, doesn't matter, then the prop. MUST BE STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. And that's it. that's the cure. Now there are no more broken crankshafts. No Nitriding, No new front bearings designed by mechancs; no; just this. This explains why some break and some don't; because the great GURU, ww, being unaware of this, doesn't specify a prop index. therefore, they are clocked at random; the builders are innocent; nobody told them any different; and from there it is strictly a matter of luck; is the propellor at ninety degrees to the little U shaped crank? or 60 degrees, or 15 degrees. Just a matter of luck. DO NOT BUY THE AFTERMARKET crankshaft; Mark's statement that the steel they have chosen is "twice as strong as 5340" is complete ignorance. the REAL PROBLEM, is that these will be manufactured by turning out of round stock, (ignorantly called "billet"by the amateur engine designers who do this), on a lathe. The original factory product was a HOT FORGING. the new replacement crankshaft will be TWICE AS LIKELY TO BREAK. I tell you t his in all seriousness, people; this is a serious subject. Spread the word around. repost this. These people do not know what they are doing. Now you know the answer; apply it and fly in confidence; ALL OTHER OPERATING PARAMETERS of the Corvair crankshaft are superior in the as installed flight application to either Continental or Lycoming cranks. Period. this is not an opinion. I wlll not be responding to any comments; don't waste your time. you have the knowledge, now use it. I've done my public duty. I'm not even faintly interested in your opinions, and if you are; you are very foolish.

john affleck – posted January 13th, 2013, 05:32 AM

Re: Debate about Mark Langford's 3rd crank failure

One person actually said thanks; which is a polite response to the time and effort I put in trying to explain this; so I'll try once more. First, Remember, I've already been through this with Langford and Wynn; pages and pages and pages of it. It makes me upset because peoples lives are at stake, here, I am a pilot, I put a couple of thousand hours on a pair of Cessna aircraft that I owned; but that's irrelevant as it does not teach you anything. First you have to go look at the picture of the crankshaft break which you have a reference to here; at the top of the page. the picture tells you a great deal. the reason steel has fatigue fractures is because it gets bent a little over and over again;(this is in plain english instead of technicalese;normal language is quite adequate to explain the situation). the pattern of marks at the fracture line tells you in what sense, or direction the bending was occurring. That is why we have to immediately stop wasting time talking about torsional vibration, or torsional bending. because it is not involved in this series of failures, (they are all identical). You're going to have to look up the picture as your part of understanding this. Education is useful mainly because it alllows us to eliminate possibilities. Torsional problems in the case of a crankshaft mean loads that twist the shaft; so now we can stop with all the stuff about what''s hanging on the other end of the shaft and etc. Because it's not involved in this series of failures. torsional problems are notorious in recip. engine-propellor combinations; but there is no torsional component here. If you imagine yourself holding on to the two ends of the propellor blades and pushing and pulling with your hands then you will be generating the kinds of forces that caused this problem. Notice that this pair of forces, tries to open and close the U shaped structure formed by the rod journal the webs and the main journal. If you mount the propellor at ninety degrees to this U shaped structure; you change the natural frequency of the assembly by a huge amount; an amount so large and so significant that you can no longer excite the U shaped tuning fork with the propellor "P" forces which are as is well known somewhat lumpy as the prop. goes by the wider part of the cowling and then the narrower part and so forth. Please notice that the random clocking of the prop. which is what is actually done in this conversion corresponds to the random nature of the breakages. (some break; some don't). furthermore; the fact that the first break reported by Mark Langford occurred so early in the operating history, (at low hours), is very significant; it tells us something important. It tells us that this is a "gross"; or large excursion in bending beyond what would be safe. This is why I was able to confidently tell him, and WW. that nitriding would not fix the problem. Because it is know, amongst those of us who are educated in this field, that nitriding does "so much, and no more". A crank that breaks at 70hours is an engine application problem; it can't be fixed by nitriding. You see why I don't want to discuss this if you look at the responses; "it's a combination of torsional and bending loads". People just go on pretending that they know things that they don;t know and refuse; apparently to even look at the photograph; or read what I wrote carefully. Of course crank journal radii are important in crankshaft design; but the point I'm making is that that is not a factor in this series of failures. Mark is just sailing off into guessing land again with all the stuff and pictures about crank radii. If you bend the material sufficiently back and forth 200,000 cycles per operating hour; it will fail. if it bends less than the certain amount; then it will not break. And you want to question my statement that a Corvair crankshaft is "better" or "stronger" than a Lycoming or Continental engine. we're using simplified, civilian language here; "stronger" is not a precise term; but never the less; as I told you, there are standard parameters of crankshaft design that allow one to say; this crankshaft has a larger safety margin than that one; and these parameters do show that the Corvair crank is "stronger" than the others. I mean, there's a limit to what I can do here; I can't write you a book. If you think about it for a minute you'll realize that general motors has a huge engineering dept. and a huge budget compared to either Lycoming or Continental; and they're manufacturing process at that time was second to none in the world. The crank is a hot forging; the reason you not supposed to buy the aftermarket crank is because all cranks turned on a lathe from round stock are defective compared to cranks produced by hot forging. this is not controversial; it's common knowledge. If you want to buy "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice", by Professor Charles Taylor, MIT, press; you can find out a lot about crankshafts; they also have some nice pictures in there of breaks. Another commentator on here begrudges me the exact angle recommended by Continental; versus what I recommended to you for the Corvair Engine. If you read what I wrote; I said they recommend a procedure for a specific engine; and I'm going to give you a procedure for this engine. the reason you want the prop. at ninety degrees to the front journal is to make the maximum increase in critical frequency; this is not controversial; advanced people in this field understand this. the other manufacturers have other things to take into account; which are not your problem; your problem is simply a cyclic reverse stress bending failure; and it will be eliminated by the procedure I recommended to you. Why is the extra front bearing stupid? well, do you consider fixing what's not broken, intelligent? there's more about the WW conversion that's wrong too; but this is the most serious issue. Another thing you definetely don't want to do is to use a high volume oil pump; the oil pump drive on these engines is not particularly robust; I would expect in flight distributor drive gear failures if you insist on a high volume oil pump. this; of course is just as bad as a broken cranshaft; it's also being promoted by our favorite mechanic turned engineer, WW. I designed a camshaft for the aero app. for this engine but I lost it a few computers ago; it's only worth about 12 or 15 horsepower over the one they use now, which was designed for a high rpm auto. app. Well; I have to stop typing now. Either that or write a book about you should actually convert a corvair engine for flight use and publish it. Oh, and don't use Mark's cooling system either. Use the WW cooling system. He's an excellent mechanc and technician and I wouldn't hesitate to use a lot of the parts he fabricates; on the other hand there's a conflict of interest there. It's too bad he refused to listen; because as you can see the solution to this problem is absurdly simple and costs nothing. My 70 year old fingers are getting tired. goodby and good flying weather.

 

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:29 PM

Subject: Corvair conversion

 

I studied your original material up to your crankshaft failure and just now reviewed your updates, Basically, Wym. Whinn or whatever sp.is a mechanic and has no engineering knowledge by acting as a consulting engineer and "designing" these conversions he's done a lot of mischief. The "steel safety shaft" as you refer to it, is a perfect example of something which must never be done; putting threads inside the crank nose is a big no-no. This shaft provides leverage to "help" break the crankshaft. I have about twenty different things to tell you about engines that you don't know and you need to know. I just can't type that much. Here's one quickie, the spark plug you show as ,"detonating, if I didn't know better", was detonating during some periods of it's existence; you don't know better. The visual evidence  is primary and direct; transducer readings; even if they were examined for every minute of operation are secondary. Your automotive compression readings of 175-185 psi reveal that this engine is not set up to operate on 93oct. The "compression ratio" so much paid attention to by amateurs, and many professionals; is relatively meaningless in determining ocane rating of the engine. Compression pressure is the determining parameter. 175psi is borderline possible for professionally tuned water cooled engine; It's "helping" a lot in putting your engine on the ragged edge of survival. In order to change this go to the OT-2 or O-20 or whatever in stead of the "little cam" from your supplier; and install it straight-up; check the compression again. I'm 64 years old, IQ 145, Sat math 800, and I know everything there is to know about internal combustion engines. I can't write you a whole book, I don't even know if you want to listen. The rest of the problem is caused by fuel distribution I would imagine, contrary to Williams assertion, it's notorious for this problem, The correct cure is efi; which is easily within your capabiliites. I design and build my own anlogue efi controllers for automotive applications and you can build yours also. This eliminates the plumbing, the carb heat, and the fuel distribution problems. You don't have to go to efi. You do Have to, and must, reduce the cranking compression pressure. The larger cam will delay closing the intake valve and thus reduce compression. Also, of course, you need to reduce the total ignition advance. A subject initself. I'm apilot also, retired now; and I had the exact same engine problem you did when doing your hot turn-around at the airport, engine vibration increasing rapidly,. becoming shuddering, loss of power; pulling back to cruise throttle setting and going to level flight<(at 25 feet above an enormous log pile for a lumber mill that lay under the departure end of the runway) allowed the engine to smooth out. This occured witha certified aircraft engine using fresh aircraft fuel from the airport. The "hot soak-quick turnaround" is THE  stress test for your octane rating. If want to know a lot more about your engine and your project You should call me on the phone, you'll probably get the snswering service, but leave your numbere and a time to call. 808-929-8137 John R. Affleck  Ps. If anyone asked me, I'd probably say your engine wasn't "actually detonating", when it threw up the big cht # and ran rough; a chief symptom of detonation is a sharp reduction in egt' which we don't see. Engineers call this "abnormal combustion", and it's almost certainly headingly rapidly towards "heavy detonation", which in turn leads to pre-ignition; a distinct problem; and then you fall down and go boom. In order to avoid the final stage of this process; cut off the side electrode of your (automotive) spark plugs. cut it off  with a .040 abrasive wheel in an air cutter or with a cut off wheel in a dremel, even with the near edge of the center electrode' in racing land we call this "un-shrouding the spark". But you'll be doing it to pull the teeth of the dreaded side electrode heating and pre-igniting dragon. The shorter remaining leg has a much different thermal profile owing to the shorter path to the plug body; and I'm sure you'll understand at once. Of course, you have to round off the resulting sharp edges, and wash the very devil out of the plug; to get rid of the abrasive. Which reminds me; nextime you hone your cylinders; and you're ready to use them; wipe the inside of the cylinder with alcohol on a white paper towel; the gray stuff on the white towel is hone abrasive that you were going to install in the engine. Now take a green 3M pot scrubber and scrubb the I.D. of the cylinder by putting your hand inside with the scrubber. Apply yourself; have patience; do it for a while; apply pressure. What are you doing? Profilling the cylinder finish. Flattening the tops of the scratches. And by the way, the angled scratches, so beloved of everyone, are just an old wives tale.  The famous 45 degree honing angles, whatever. It's been tested in an engine research laboratory; it's utterly meaningless. You should be able to figure this out; the rings make a labyrinth seal over the tops of the many little grooves under each contact face; they could give a shit what angle the grooves are at. You are not to be blamed for not knowing this; this kind of information is only available in a very few specialized textbooks. Oh and by the way, you faith in Pefect Seal is touching, but thats a brand not a ring design; and I'm here to tell you that Childs and Albert make piston rings; the other people just fool around. What you want if they're made in a size you can use are C&A Zero Gap rings. zero leak down and unbreakable. Literally, unbreakable.  Call me and give me a telephone time. I can"t write you a whole book;d and I have a lot more things to tell you.Needless to say, I find it amusing to read about people building engines, including very elevated professionals, and the absurd theories and popular dis-information they're operating on. But you're playing a dangerous game here; and you need some help; it won't be funny if your luck doesn"t hold out, so give me a call and take advantage of whatever part of my education you wish.   Cheers, Jack

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:08 PM

Subject: Corvair conversion/ engineering knowledge

 

Your bigger cylinder project strikes me as strange. Where are you going with this? What are you trying to accomplish? You want a high performance aircraft, get a variable pitch propellor; still not fast enough, go to a gear red. prop. drive; too iffy? too "experimental"; you already broke a crankshaft and experienced in flight detonation; how could a prop drive be too experimental. My point; you're already expermenting and you don't know it. Your smarter than wn. Whinn' you had better answers before you met him then you did after you decided to listen to him. You expressed the thought that electronic ignition was reliable and useful on your volkswagen and that you planned to use it on your airplane .  But you ended up with a distributor swith two sets of points inside. Weak ignition is one lead in cause of abnormal combustion' which segues into etc. etc. as above noted. Immediately, you say, I don't have weak ignition! How do y ou know? Are your coils designed for points and condesor operation? Are they designed for a condensor of the value you're using? Why did you think the engine design team at General Motors put the coil on the engine block? As they did on the chevy small block; and all other american stock cars. Because they were stupid and failed to notice that there's a lot of vibration and heat on the engine block? or because they knew something theat you and Wm Winn don"t know?  Yeah, I'm afraid it's number two. Get the damn coil onthe engine, nowww. Don't do anything else until you do this. Then conduct ign timing tests by doing ground runups' try to find best power and then back off 9degrees. Find peak egt and back off 100 degreesF. One or the other. The last 7 degrees running up to mean best torque gets y ou 1&1/2 percent torque increase; and practically speaking doubles the peak cylinder pressure and peak temperature. You can't even measure this "loss" of power reliably; but this is the most expensive way in the world to "make power". These are the 7little degrees from hell that have killed more engines than any other single operating factor. You want more power? Fine, I can dig that. But you don't do it by spending your money on bigger cylinders. Go back to your computor simulation,(I use the same program), and look at the volumetric effeciencey and BMEP numbers; that's where your horsepower is going to come from. You yourself noted, at one time, how surprising the large increase in power of the Monza variant was, with it's four symmetrically mounted,vis vis the intake runners, carburetors. You absolutley right; it's very surprising. But you need to study this odd fact untill you understand it. The engineers at GM knew this was the first thing to do to produce the hig her output corvair; because they knew it had fuel distribution problems; the symmetrical carbs solve this problem. There's three things I can tell you about your big cylinder modification; one; the larger bore will have a lower octane rating; two, the modification won"t produce a one to one increase in torque, because the larger cylinder will make the already grotesque valve area/bore area ratio even worse then it is; three; it had nothing to do with breaking your crankshaft,(You keep repeating that you think this was a factor in the shaft failure; it wasn't) It's very important in engineering to only fix the part that's broke; because all human endeavors are characterized by a limited amount of money and time. Aircraft preformance at this point will come from a variable pitch prop; and inexpensive engine mods. The next place to go after that is a reduction drive; (hint: you're never going to get 160 hp by changing cylinders.) E mail me with your phone number, I have way too much to tell you to type it all. Yes I know all the factors involved in designing a reduction drive, and my name is not William.    Let's open up a communications channel.Cheers, Jack 808-9298137

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:23 PM

Subject: Internal combustion engines;

 

Almost random notes; the ten lbs./insq. that you refer to in your lament about your oil pressure, is not an engineering data point. It originated with Smoky Yunick's book about his experiences building chev.V8'S for the nascar circuit in the sixties. Be advised that Mr. Moroso, headf of Moroso performance products, routinely operates his aftermarket chevy. small block with zero oil pressure indicated at idle' and about 40psi at 8000 rpm at the end of the dragstrip. Oil pressure is irrelevant except as a predictor of oil flow rate thru the crank system bearings. Oil pressure per se, is simply irrelevant to the operation of hydrodynamic bearings. However, flow rate is proportional to the square root of the gauge pressure. What you need to do is get rid of the oil filter, and it's plumbing; and replace the lines to the oil cooler with -10 hoses and "hard elbows".Your oil filter is bypassing and supplying unfiltered oil to the engine on take=off/(cold,cool), and it has no function in prolonging the life of your engine. Put an air outlet behind the oil cooler on the fuselage. Sorry, I'm referring to your careful attention to "ten lbs,/psi per thousand rpm", which consideration is unknown amongst graduate engine designers. Mr yunicks remarks appllied to a particularly horrible engine that is no longer used; they have been faithfully repeated thru the magic of plagiarism. Where most of your "Knowledge" comes from. The entire engine performance lanscape is filled horizon to horizon with bullshit. The real ansers have been known and understood since 1929, conservatively. How would you like to have a 650 watt electric heating element in your oil pan to insure that your oil temperatures are high/borderline? Well, not to worry; you already do. The ball and sled rockers need to go away, they are the heating element. But not to be replaced with aluminum rockers, which loaded heavily in reverse stress as they are; have a lifespan, and then they break. Aluminum is a very very poor structural material. The roller rocker you want is called a Pro Magnum rocker and it's made by Comp. Cams. who have a web site and catalog. Have I seen them break? yes. Are the people who sell them to you wonderful people who care more about your lifespan then their plrofits?; No, You can't afford the kind of failure that's inevitable with an aluminum rocker in an airplane. Take heed. I have nothing to sell you. The Pro Magnum rockers are investment castings in stainless steel' are they too heavy? no. They're designed by engineers' not by Wm. Winn. They will not fail. This is what you must concentrate on if you want to play propulsion engineer for a man carrying aircraft; the simple fact that they will not fail; ever. You need race bearings and not the passenger car bearings that you have now; trust me. Look up your part numbers and order them up. You mention that you're going to do breakin with straight 30W; You should never have enything but straight 30W in the engine; plus STP oil additive. These are not opinions; I don't deal in opinions; I'll be happy to explain this reccommendation when you make contact with me. Your opinion that nitrited crankshaft offers an acceptable margin of safety in an environment where a non-nitrided crank broke; is false. Your critical new data is indexing your propellor; which one of your experts got you to do when you were examining your breakage issue. If Wm. Winn did not tell y ou to index the propellor in his book; t hen he is immediately known as a fool and a dangerous fraud. Propellor indexing is required; for instance in the Continental Aircraft Engine cos. family of flat sixes; the procedure is mandated and explained painstakingly in the engine overhaul manual. Please see Charles Taylor, "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice", in two volumes by MIT Press. Available at Borders; etc. This is where the engineers at G eneral Motors learned enough to design automotive engines; specifically; this course material; this professor; this is a historical fact. It contains diagrams of air propellor torsion vibrations, and a sobering commentary to the effect, that this is one on the most difficult and problematical engineering problems; the air propellor attached to the internal combustion engine. The Indexing you did is what allows you to operate; unfortunately, the propellor is on the wrong end of the crankshaft. Once again, this is not an opinion. It's possible you can run like this for a long time; I don"t know. But you;ll never have the excess survivability, the big green area betweeen daily operations and the ragged edge of the envelope; that you would have if you stopped feeding the thrust pulses thru the length of the crank to mix and match with the torsional pulses, on their way to the thrust bearing; Which is on the other end of the Crank!808-929-8137 Contact me, cheers Jack.

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:45 AM

Subject: corvair engine

 

There aren't usually any book cams; catalogue items that maximise performance for a particular application. Custom grinds are available and usually produce very significant gains. Your idea that the overadvanced cam was good because your simulation numbers went up is incorrect. In this case, of excessive advance or retard showing good gains, what you should understand the computer is telling you is its time to re-design the camshaft. Apparently you want your horsepower at 3500 rpm. You plugged in stock manifolds/mufflers, I suppose to duplicate the factory numbers' ; when I designed this camshaft for you I elected small tube headers/open exhaust as being more representative of your application. At a compression ratio of 8.5 to one; more realistic than the 9 .5 you plugged in; Somehow you ignored the 98Oct. and 99Oct. fuel ratings on your GM test reports; 133hp is available at 3500 with the present disp. and very poor heads; changing to the 140hp head valve diameters; at 8.5 compression we get 140Hp. at 3500 rpm. This cam can be ground; it's perfectly feasible. It uses solid lifters; one more set of moving parts you don't need and don't want are the bits and pieces inside the hydraulic lifter. Your statement that the output curves would be greatly affected by the manifold arrangements is false. I realize your parroting what you've been told; but you might as well know what the facts are. There's no practical manifold you can put on a corvair engine that will change the peak torque rpm by even 150rpm. I eliminated the restriction in the intake manifold that you plugged in; you're not using the stock carbs; but what you are using may be worse. What you need is four little stubby air valves located and mounted a la monza carbs, and EFI. This is easily within your capability. Contact me for practical thoughts on efi; I have a design for a fuel controller which operates on Manifold Absolute Pressure" (100% altitutde correcting). I have cars running here now with efi systems I've installed, including an 895hp Ford small block race car' (heavily supercharged), with two electronic control systems; one for 93Oct. Gasolene in conventional injectors, and one for methanol injection into the eye of the centrifugal supercharger, (first researched in 1929); they both operated at the same time. Your welcome to the schematic and parts list also your pump and component reccommendations; I'm sure you'll do a better, (neater), job of building the controller than I would; I'm very pragmatic! But if you wish I'll build you a controller and mail it to you. The pressure sensor istself is about $20 from Digi-Key; there are no exotic components; no microprocessor; fuel rate adjustment is by trimpot. I design engines all the time; my camshaft designs are very successful in the real world.  Cheers, Jack

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:22 PM

Subject: aerocorvair

 

More on camshafts and engine performance. I think somebody probably told you that the bigger,140Hp. heads were'nt good for your 3500rpm application; unfortunately, this is completely false.The heads I see described in your GM test report have a higher air capacity, significantly higher, than the ones you have now. What's done with that capacity is up to the engine designer; me for instance. Your computer will quickly teach you this if you allow it to;

the Dyno Sim Pro program may be my only ally here'; but that's all right; you can get 160 horsepower at 3500 if you go find yourself a pair of these heads and this includes 95mm barrels. It's perfectly clear that if you obtain these heads; fuel inject them; and use the correct camshaft you can get 140 Hp. at 3500 rpm., and 8.25 to one Comp. I'll give you the Comp Cams lobe numbers, inter=lobe angle and cam blank number, this is what you use to order the cam made. Typically the charge is the same as a catalogue cam using the same core. This will be a solid tappet camshaft using the same springs you have now. By far the most important thing you can do in your search for horsepower is to obtain a set of these heads. Remember your simulation program. "speaks engine", and so do I. I'm afraid there might not be very many people you can find who understand this matter correctly, but me and your computer outvote everyone else. The 140 hp. quote is for the short block you have now; I hope you can withdraw gracefully from your big bore program; its the wrong thing to spend money on. 808-929-8137 Jack

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:31 PM

Subject: Aero Corvair 808-929-8137 Hawaiin Standard Time

 

ref. your page showing the outputs from your EIS. The spread in EGT's shown here is not acceptable; assumiing only that I was able to interpret the colors of the lines properly.  This is deeply related to "in flight detonation", as well as your puzzlement over the less than ideal results in your page on "tear down/inspection". I am repeating now; this  engine does not have good fuel distribution;(cylinder to cylinder equality). This is revealed in the EGT  spreads. All carbureted aircraft engines share this characteristic to some degree. There's an interesting site on the web for a company that has ATC'd a fuel injection install for a Jacobs radial engine, reading it will give you an idea of the bene's that come from port injection. I repeat, again' that you yourself commented on the large difference in output obtained with the Monza,(four hole) cylinder head. The factory engineers knew the two hole manifold was compromised and they had this four hole design on tap for the necessary development process. As soon as you introduce a design, the next thing you do is bring out the higher performance version. I repeat; if you want more power the number one first thing to do is obtain a set of four hole, big valve heads. Your opinion, or acceptance of other's opinions that this is beneficial only at some higher RPM is false. This is a fact, Mark; not an opinion. Put up your corvair simulation on your computer, with small tube headers and open exhaust, and change the valve diameters to the larger diameters specified in your GM test data page for the Monza heads,(not positive about this name). You will see immediately that this does increase the horsepower at 3500-3600RPM. Notice that the dimensions of the runners are larger in the Monza head on your GM Test page; your computer will automatically increase the runner area, even as the factory engineers did; so the simulation will be good. The Camshaft I designed for you uses 1.5 to one rockers on the intakes, and 1.6 to one on the exhausts. Both are available in the Pro Magnum Investment cast Stainless Steel product line from Comp. Cams. Unfortunately, the bad fuel distribution and uneven cylinder operation will not resolve entirely as a result of using these much better heads. Ultimatley, the only way to get the best performance and highest reliability is to break down and enter the 21st. century. Your early pro and con about fuel injection is somewhat out-dated now that you have a reliable source of electricity. The fuel pump uses about 5amps, I think, for the 45psi rail pressure, which is sort of an automotive standard. You state that high fuel pressure is never a good idea; I'm sure you know better than that. The 175psi in use on commercial airliners in the fifties, was a good idea' it never bothered anyone. 2200psi on a diesel truck is a good idea. It's just a matter of what kind of braided hose you use isn"t it. Yeah, it is. Automotive one amp injectors sized to run at 60% duty cycle at cruise will consume 6X.6 or 3.6 Amps. A fuel controller such as the one I build doesn"t have any memory, or any microprocessor; and is amenable to the usual "cockpit mixture controll", that all Normal Category aircraft have; ( a Pot, and knob).  Fuelling is in proportion to Absolute Manifold pressure; so the transducer, which you buy for about $19; is a little electronic barometer/altimeter and the mixture is 100% altitude,(density), corrected. I'm sure you could build this yourself if you wished to; I should say in passing that you've done a great deal of first class work on this installation; I'm just sorry you were mislead by Wm. Whinn. The reason GM went to HEI, Their brand of electronic ignition, was primarily to burn leaner mixtures. The only significant effect of a fast rise time/large plug gap system is to increase the lean limit for the engine. You of course are interested in this, the range, and fuel burn are some of the important parameters of the 'plane. You mention in your writtings."leaning to Stoich." and also, leaning to peak EGT. Neither one of these is correct. The Stoich. mixture has no operating significance at all.  Leaning to peak EGT merely guarantees the maximum stresss for the exhaust valve. The desired operating condition is lean of peak because it un-stressees the ex. valve and gets you your cruise economy. Yes, I kknow all about the usual reccomendations and the usual pilot training etc. I can"t write you a whole book here; If you call me on the phone I'll explain anything you want. See the CAFE "tests and reports"  from the EAA  for real airplane research iinto fuel burn and igntion quality and timing. The bad news is that your "onset of vibration" when leaning out the engine is probably at peak EGT;and the only way to get the fuel economy and smoothness, and green envelop operating safety/reliability, (eg. no more leaky exhaust valves; which is very very serious by the way), is to install port fuel injection. Your idea about Cis is not good; it still has an electric fuel pump, and the mechanical "thing" that controls it is an order of magnitude less reliable than an electronic controller. To sum up; no port fuel injection equals never arriving at maximum economy or security; (reduced ex. valve temperature). This is a factual statement. Continuing the summation' the horsepower you want to travel at 200MPH is available; it's available economically, it's available without installng larger cylinders; and in addition the reccommended path for developement/eg. port fuel injection, four hole heads,and electronic ignition, will make the engine SAFE TO USE AS AN AIRCRAFT POWERPLANT; Presently, it is marginal. If I were doing this as a job, the engine never would have left the test stand untill the EGTS were within normally accepted limits of cylinder to cylinder variation; WHICH THEY ARE NOT.  Call me up and I'll answer all questions that you have.                     Sincerely, John R. Affleck

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:01 PM

Subject: fuel injectiion

 

I forgot to mention two things; one you need to drill holes in the intake manifold to stick the injectors in. If I can do it; you can certainly do it. It's not a high precision process; the only requirements are correct diameter, good surface finish;(which seems to be a gimme using a low speed portable electric drill), and a chamfer on top. The injectors are self limiting as to depth; the hole is not counterbored. They seal with an O ring. Farmers have done this successfully. HotRod magazine carried a picture of an Oldsmobile V-8(old kind) that a farmer and his son converted to EFI; They even built their own manifold and painted it up; actually these conversions are becoming rather common. Also you need a piece of "fuel rail", from Holley at Summit Racing. This is an extrusion which you cut to length. it has a round hole in it, through the length of it, which is correct for tapping 3/8NPTF, which you do after you cut it to length. Then you locate your injector tops on the bottom of the fuel rail and mark it and drill through to the fuel hole with a 5/16 drill. Then go back and drill for the O ring,(counterbore), same as the bottom. There's enough meat, room, in the extrusion to drill through 5/32 so you can fasten it down to the manifold; or cylinder head; With a STEEL STRAP; an aluminum strap might vibrate, and then it would break, so use 1/16" galv, strap from the hardware store, say by 1-1/2" wide for instance. This you invent to suit your engine; you'll have two of these on each rail with the bottom of the strap screwed to something. On one end of the engine a crossover is installed, consisting of appropriate fittings and -6 braided line. At the other end, there's a fitting and line going back to the fuel pump on one side, and a pressure regulator on the other side, whose outlet goes to the return line. You can fake up an OEM regulator if you wish; or you can buy a regulator from Summit. Faking consists in making plumbing connections; the regulators are otherwise "built in to the factory fuel rails". How far is it,(by tape measure) between the intake runners on aCorvair? I wonder if you could use the whole factory fuel, cum regulator, from a Ford 3.0 V6?? That would be slick. The filter goes in the intake side of the pump, no pressure, and the pump should if at all possible be at thelevel of the fuel its pumping or a litle below it. I've got the pump reccommendation for you too; that cost me several hundred dollars in over=advertised, underperforming junk' before I found the right manufacture and part no. So you see, this is very feasible. Air doors can be cut off carburetors if you like; you can also make your own butterfly throttles, if you like. I have, and you're at least as creative and handy with tools as I am. So let me know what you think about all this.   Cheers, Jack.  Ihave street rods and full-on race cars that have been running my controller for years now; its de-bugged; and fully functional.

 

From: Mark Langford

To: John Affleck

Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:44 PM

Subject: Re: fuel injectiion

 

John,

 

I have been working with a EE on a truly impressive fuel injection/ignition system for about the last year, which I was going to flight test and use myself, but unfortunately he got super busy with a job he couldn't refuse, and has basically shelved the project until he runs out of work.  So I am clearly not aversive to fuel injection, but wanted to iron out the rest of the airframe and engine before I went there.  After 400 hours, I'm ready to try it.  You also don't have to convince me that my engine has a fuel distribution problem.  I've been saying that since the beginning.  I'm convinced that much of it is due to the Ellison "carburetor" and hoaky induction system. 

 

Rereading Taylor's book a few weeks ago I found that high quench engines tend to have more chamber/piston deposits than otherwise, due to the quenching of the combustion gases causing incomplete combustion.  That might help explain why the first engine was cleaner than the current one.   FI would go a long way toward improving that.  As a stop gap, I'm going to put water injection on it.  I used it on my Karmann Ghia in the 80's when I lived in the desert, and the chambers/pistons looked like new when I tore it down afterwards to upgrade to larger valve heads.

 

I also have two 140 horsepower "dual inlet" heads, but I'm saving those for some other testing.  I now have a "spare" 2700cc engine that I can ground test things with before moving to the air, so sure, I'll take you up on your offer of building and testing your injection system.   I also have a few spare heads that I don't mind putting holes in for injector bosses or other experimentation.  I have a mill and a lathe, so I can probably fabricate the stuff I need to make.  I already have a fuel pressure regulator made for injection systems.  Send it on, and we'll see how it works out...


Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

 

From: John Affleck

To: Mark Langford

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:46 PM

Subject: corvair conversion

 

No the fuel distribution problem is not caused by the plumbing and carburetor; its a function of the manifold design. In your pages on corvair engines, and test data etc., you have a reprint of a Hot Rod mag. article, and also your comments on it. Probably, you thought these improvements only apply to higher RPM ranges. For the second time, now; this is a false asumption. What the fourhole head gives you is air capacity; what's done with the air capacity is up to the engine designer. Certainly there can be excess air capacity; but in this case, at 3300-3600 Rpm that is not the case. What I'm offering you is a complete development path to your goal; if you refuse to use your four hole heads; then I can't help you. The delta 40 horsepower that you need to be sure of getting to 200MPH, (as much as I can understand what your goal may be), will come from; a.)four hole heads b.)fuel injection c.) the correct camshaft d.)reduction of the compression ratio to 8.0 to one  Electronic ignition is vitally important because that, combined with fixing the fuel distribution problem, will allow you to run lean of peak at cruise;(lean to lean miss, and bump back), which will go a long way towards making engine safe to use. Repeating; leaning to Stoich. and leaning to Peak EGT are both incorrect. Stoich. is the mixture strength where abnormal combustion/detonation is most easily provoked,(break out your Taylor!), and repeating; peak EGT offers the advantage of doing the most possible damage to the exhaust valve. Your camshaft design follows; I have to look it up. I"m very glad we're communicating now; lets keep it up. What you want to inject is a 50% mixture of methanol and water; it has no drawback at all. The usual reccommendation is 20% of the fuel load; in liquid measure. Injection systems are easy to calibrate just put your proposed nozzle in a bucket, activate your pump and time the fill to whatever; a gallon, or something convenient. This is for climb out; it's probably the only way you can operate this air-cooled engine that was designed for 99Oct. fuel safely on 92Oct.

 

From: Mark Langford

To: John Affleck

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: corvair conversion

 

You wrote:

 

No the fuel distribution problem is not caused by the plumbing and carburetor; its a function of the manifold design.

 

I didn't say anything about "plumbing" being the problem, I said "induction system", which I believe covers the manifold as well. You must think I'm a moron.  I also know for a fact that a slide carb leads to different mixtures in each leg of a siamesed manifold, and the lean and rich sides swap places at various rpms.  It's been proven by everybody that flies a Corvair with a slide carb and split manifold.  I'll be the first to agree that the currently common implementation of the intake tubing is not optimal, which is why I started out with a Weber carb mounted on top of the engine, and another reason I'm planning to implement fuel injection.

 

One reason I haven't replied to your emails is that you seem to twist things around a little trying to make me look like an idiot, and yourself as the brilliant teacher.  I don't appreciate that, and can see this is going to painful.  Your comment that "I know everything there is to know about engines" pretty much says it all, and that line was in your first or second email.  It was at that point that I was convinced that you were on some kind of arrogant power trip, and that any relationship with you was going to be annoying. 

 

What I'm offering you is a complete development path to your goal; if you refuse to use your four hole heads; then I can't help you.

 

What I said was I was going to save it for later testing, and by that I meant that once the fuel injection is tested on a single port manifold (highly modified, and may have THREE ports, not just one or two) and data points are taken, I'd then modify the 140 heads to a similar configuration, thereby proving the value (or lack thereof) of the bigger valves. I have no qualms about milling the entire manifold log off a pair of 102, 95, or 110 hp heads, but I'm not going to start prototyping on a pair of expensive and hard to find heads just to make you happy. Besides that, larger valves in a Corvair head are a definite liability due to their propensity to drop seats because of the lack of aluminum between and intake and exhaust seats, and should not be undertaken unless there is a real advantage. 

 

I'm not interested in fuel injection as a pathway to squeezing the maximum power of this engine, but instead I'm interested in fuel efficiency, smooth running, and clean combustion chambers.  I'm convinced that the Corvair crank is nearing it's limits at the power output we are now asking of it.  I don't want a 200 hp version of a Corvair.  If I did, I'd turbo the thing and get high altitude capability as well.  I don't like being a glider pilot in a plane that's not designed for it, and I'm not going to let anybody force me into that situation again.

 

This is for climb out; it's probably the only way you can operate this air-cooled engine that was designed for 99Oct. fuel safely on 92Oct.

 

You keep saying stuff like this, ignoring the fact that I have 400 hours of flying on 93 octane fuel with no problems other than the time the plane was filled with 87 octane on one of the hottest summer days I've ever flown.  And this was with a compression ratio of 9.3:1.  Do cold, hard facts based on actual experience mean nothing at all to you?

 

If you want to work with me on fuel injection, that's fine.  I don't need any demands "use my cam design, manifold, this, that, and the other, or no deal".  Contrary to what you think, you are not the world expert on aircraft engines, their applications, or Corvair engines in particular.  If you're not willing to concede that this is my engine and I'll build it the way I want it done, then I don't need your help.  I'd rather work the issue myself without the hassle...

 

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net